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Russia. it was how divided the country is. if we're going down the special counsel route and if the special counsel's findings are going to be seen as partisan at the end of the day, i think this is just further divides the country and i think a lot of people that i'm hearing from are saying, why -- how is mueller different from clinton in that sense? think of the things that happened in the fbi under mueller. all of these things then become fair game for people to say see? >> neil: would it be the case that someone would glean bias and argued add naeusum. >> you could have the investigation w...

Many kilos of cocaine and tried to put it into an apartment in order to conceal the source of those funds, that's a separate offense of money-laundering. >> that's where you get the crimes stacking up to your point. >> as a former federal prosecutor who worked under mueller's enron task force on complex fraud and a former counselor of president obama we're have you lucky to have a lot of your expertise tonight, kathy ruemmler, thank you. thank you. coming up, a new report that indicates jared kushner is under much greater financial pressure than ever previously known. what does that mean f...

As eboni knows, grand juries do not make a habit of initiating hoaxes, not allowed to take on witch hunts. although we think there is nothing there, at least, the grand jury is not going to start going about this under mueller's wishes, of course, unless they think there may be something there. do not forget, this is supposed to be in virginia. it's in washington. mueller is dug in on washington. the judges love him. that is clinton's stronghold. nothing could be something. you guys keep poo-pooing, this guy is working overtime. the grand jury? that ain't no joke. >> kat: and a lot of experts ...

Ones he will hear from, are going to explain it's a bad idea, that historically it has resonance of the saturday night massacre. >> even chris ruddy was saying he didn't think it was a good idea. >> that's right. that raised a couple possibilities. one, trial balloon. second, warning to mueller that this is under way. i doubt -- mueller doesn't strike me as the type who intimidates easily. but could be. third possibility is that the president really is not attune to what the reaction might be or might be trying to figure that out. congressman schiff may be right that it would result in congres...

Special prosecutor law that congress itself let lapse. i'm not certain that that's right. it could well be that they will say it shouldn't have happened but putting a law back together is too difficult. >> you worked at the fbi, do you think this would intimidate robert mueller? >> not the mueller i know. i worked under mueller. i didn't work for him personally. he is a man who i don't think bends to political winds. i will point out that he was appointed by george bush and he also was the head of the fbi and the investigation in the valerie plain leak. this is someone who is able to i think b...