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We're at a place now where we need to say that this was absolutely wrong. i read an op-ed piece by jose rodriguez in "the washington post." he was in charge at the cia when these programs were undertaken. and his argument was, well, you know, we at the cia were told to do this and we got legal justification, and so we went ahead and doing it and now you're pulling the rug out from underneath us. the problem with that argument is that it really went out of fashion, i think, with the nurenberg trials, that we were just following orders. just because a government lawyer says something is legal, d...

Philip wood was an american ibm executive on that flight. his partner is sarah bajc joinings us now from beijing. sarah, thank you for joining us. it's good to have you back on the show but not under these circumstances. how are you holding up? >> i stabilized from this morning. you know, every time some official gives one of those absolute statements of, we're sure it's the pings from the black box, or we're sure it's in the ocean, we all crash. you know, our family -- the family members, our feet get knocked out from underneath us but then it always ends up reversing itself and step back fro...

Of the investigation, they were told that everyone on board remains under suspicion as it stands. families met with airline officials today and they came away unconvinced of any real progress. sarah bajc said all of this back and forth is taking a serious emotional toll on the families. >> every time some official gives one of those absolute statements that we're sure it's the pings from the black box or we're sure it's in the ocean, we all crash. our -- the family members, our feet get knocked out from underneath us. but then it always ends up reversing itself and then they step back from it....

Very few are willing to do. take a stand on politics. >> oh, yes. >> you follow it closely. you're passionate about it. >> i think everybody should. if we don't our country is going slip out from underneath us. apathy in our country is our biggest enemy. >> there is a lot of it. >> we blame it on the government and we put them there. it's going to take work to get them out >> as i get older i worry more about the country my kids are inheriting. >> of course you do. kids, grandkids. what is it going to be? this day, i'm not sure if we're going to take a step back. i want to see results here. >>...

Going to happen? >> what i fear, it is one thing -- i'm a stay at home mom when this happened. and the government came after me. that is scary enough. but what i'm scared for is our country, the freedoms that we have are just being shirked out from underneath us. and it is becoming very real. and i am sad because i don't think any of the other media outlets are playing this story. it is happening right under our noses. and people are just not even paying attention. >> the abuse of power, the intimidation by the government. you have experienced the same thing. >> the weaponizing of the governme...