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My colleague thalib and knew the time wasn't right. we didn't have a clear, understandable -- this is a danger to the national security. she kept the caucus together. she did not whip it. and she really did not. she did not put pressure on a single person i know about which way to vote. she listened to the members. when a group of yvetveteran mem worried of national security, that was a tipping point. she wants to make sure that there's a fair trial in the senate. she's doing what she needs to do. and i have the most confidence in her that she will do what's right for this country. and i know ...

Obstruction of congress, those make the package very neat and understandable, and i think it gives the democrats the best chance of convincing the american public that this is worthy of impeachment. >> so an abuse of power you see two possible directions. >> correct, they could make them one master charge of abuse of the powers of the office, you know, phase one solicitation, i personally like breaking them into two sprat articles so you don't have to deal with the muddied arguments that because the money was released to ukraine or because they were not known that the money was held up, that i...

>> time flies. now they're in the process of taking those 300 pages we saw yesterday and boiling them down to an understandable -- it's not an indictment but it's like an indictment -- articles of impeachment. what you have to do is sort of find something that's going to be broad enough to cover all the conduct here. i think we will see a broadly phrased abuse of power article. but also not so broad that it's limitless. and so they have to decide how are they going to phrase the ukraine issue? are they going to bring an article for obstruction? i think the report yesterday made very clear they...

Congress does in the next few weeks will go down in history, it's hard to imagine that donald trump could have obstructed justice in ten different respects. with congress doing nothing about it, that said as a tactical matter, it might make for a cleaner stronger case for congress to leave it behind or perhaps use it as background to the ukraine story. as a prosecutor, we always said, lead with your strongest charge, and if you have weaker charges, leave it out. keep it nice and clean and understandable for the jury. use the mueller story as necessary background to ukraine. >> all right, thank...

Afghanistan. it goes to show you tight appreciation precautions goes to tell you how vulnerable that region is after 18 years of boots on the ground. it was quite a trip. adresden anyone is starting to wear off. what a way to spend thanksgiving day. >> rick: not being able to touch your cell phone for 13 plus hours is painful as well. >> it was painful. i got it back. i will tell you whatnot just me feeling the communication withdrawals. several highly wired west wing staffers starting to get the jitters from being away from all their devices. >> rick: understandable. kristin fisher, thanks so...