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Have it kind of taint all th other ones but if you have like fou really good options, lay the all out. the defense is entitled, t make motions, and you neve know what a judge is going t do, that's the reason why yo lay out your strongest ones. and here, there are just too many options that i'm sure whe the defense looked at this they were actually thinkin this is more than we sort of bargained for. >> catherine, let me just as you to expand on what andrew has said there especially his point about how you don't necessarily have t charge the crime that brough this up to a felony, you jus have to...

Women, dorman guy isn't in there, but the two women mcdougal and america sweetheart, as you coined it there, th facts are not in dispute so when you see the lawyers, tacopino and the guy meant t sort of class at the legal team, you could just blur their face and replace them with cohen in 2016, with ruby during mueller with whoever defended amid impeachment one or impeachment to it is the same - in this case, the facts were established by his own executives and government. southern district of new york. >> the law is complicated. it is more complicated because it is not happening in the southe...

Of course, if you actually did it, that's gonna be very goo proof that you had the inten to do it but it's not actuall necessary. and in this case, ther actually is reason to thin that, for instance, the trum organization and donald trum himself might have wanted to deduct the, quote, legal fee as expenses. so, that would be tax fraud, but there is a reason to think he did not do that because i became the president and there were a lot of things that we're not done at tha point, as was shown in the trump organization trial tha fall, were basically the accountants turn to him said you know, wha...

President donald trump, the on of the more interesting back and forth between both sides attorneys of both sides and th judge was about whether or not the judge might pose what is called a gag order, essentially, six rings on the speech of anybody involved in the case i the ways they talk about it. the judge said, in the arraignment today, although will not issue a gag order and not something close to the are corridor - i would encourage council on both sides to please speech or witnesses. found council speak to you client and everybody else yo need to --

Are lawyers. and we absolutely are not. have we gotten anything wrong, or is anything important tha you think we are missing in terms of understanding th law here and what we learned >> well, it's going to start b saying i thought we are at the children's table because obviously this is the adults - but, with all due respect, i will say that i didn't think there was anything wrong i actually wanted to maybe focus everybody on an issu that is sort o forward-looking. because one of the things that -- interesting was the timefram going forward. so we are in april and the next state that th court ...