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Roger was a natural person to gravitate to. he's a koob. he put out a book saying bill clinton was tied to a series of murders. he's a conspiracy theorist who hangs out with alex jones and yet he was considered a vrbs ip, a vip at the republican convention for trump. >> where did these two meet? at college mixer. i'm kidding because he's an underworld figure and trump seems to know a few underworld figures. >> they go back 40 years. even knew fred trump before he knew donald trump. and they really do have a bond that's developed over these years and you see the loyalty -- >> what do you mean? ...

Very nice guy. >> no, he's a monster. >> why did we latch on to him for so long? >> well, part of it was his longevity. he really had a long life in boston as an underworld figure. and for the longest time, and this goes until about the late ' 0s, and, you know, it's hard to go back in time and realize he was -- he was portrayed as a robin hood of his neighborhood. you know, a good/bad guy. he helped foster that by some of the things he did. but also the fbi that we now know was, you know -- his public relations arm for him. and putting that kind of thing out there. that he kept drugs out of h...

Planning. a number of american railroads, passenger trains perhaps at the same time at one of these dramatic 9/11/11 thing. do we know if that was his idea? >> don't know if it was his idea, but appears to be recorded in papers found in that bedroom where he was killed. something he was putting together or reviewing in a personal and direct way. >> i was thinking of a paradigm, almost like an organized underworld figure who gets put away for hard time. he's in prison and still calling the shots for a family, a mob organization. >> he's got all that time. nothing else to distract him. right? he...

Do we know if that was his idea? >> don't know if it was his idea, but appears to be recorded in papers found in that bedroom where he was killed. something he was putting together or reviewing in a personal and direct way. >> i was thinking of a paradigm, almost like an organized underworld figure who gets put away for hard time. he's in prison and still calling the shots for a family, a mob organization. >> he's got all that time. nothing else to distract him. right? he's spending all his time just thinking about those things. >> no evidence at all, it seems, because they caught him in the d...

Flash drives if there, those appear to be the way he was communicating with his network sending messages. >> thumb drives, things you took around like a disk used to be. >> those are the things that would come out of the compound, make their way through the network and get signals and directions off to others. >> let's talk about us. we are always concerned about what's next, not just anger but planning. a number of american railroads, passenger trains perhaps at the same time at one of these dramatic th dramatic 9/11/11 thing. do we know if that was his idea? >> don't know if it was his idea,...