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2009, early 2010 is the flight of independents away from democrats. nobody denies that. the question is why is it? is that for ideological reasons? these independents just don't like big government? or is it for process the reasons, they're somehow turned off by the system in washington? what these guys said is that it's because there's too many special deals in health care. that's why independent voters are recoiling. it's not because they're afraid of big government. so the message is don't cut any more deals, but get something done. that's far worse than doing anything. in other words, this...

Gotten something bipartisan that would have been more reasonable and -- because we had plenty of time it doesn't take effect until 2014. i make a joke, but there's some truth we had to be in session because we hadn't been in session christmas eve since 1895. >> greta: does this tax does it apply to everybody who has a cadillac plan? are unions the only ones exempted until -- >> you can have people that live side by side some are union, some are not and they are going to be treated differently that's the way the bill passed the house of representatives. no, that's the way the bill pass the sena...

Gotten something bipartisan that would have been more reasonable and -- because we had plenty of time it doesn't take effect until 2014. i make a joke, but there's some truth we had to be in session because we hadn't been in session christmas eve since 1895. >> greta: does this tax does it apply to everybody who has a cadillac plan? are unions the only ones exempted until -- >> you can have people that live side by side some are union, some are not and they are going to be treated differently that's the way the bill passed the house of representatives. no, that's the way the bill pass the sena...

Faying. >> right, the same thing we have seen in the private sector where workers are shoulders more of their health care costs, that's coming to union plans now. it's sort of reached a breaking point and they're really balking at making contributions that ordinary workers do. >> and some of the union plans are fairly complex. there's about 20 million unionized workers in so-called multiemploy plarns. >> that's means there's a single plan but many employers crib to it. >> so they're fairly complex. they have negotiated these plans over decades, really, and they're very good plans. for instance...

About obamacare? is unions, of course, have been among the president's most loyal allies and were critical to the passage of his affordable care act in 2010. but now some are threatening to strike if they're forced to absorb the higher costs that come with the law. the "wall street journal" reported this week that unions and reporters nationwide are squaring off over who will pick up the tab for new mandates, such as coverage for dependent children up to age 26. and the so-called cadillac tax starting in 2018. for more, i'm joined by "wall street journal" columnist, dan hedginger, joe rego, an...