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Innovation, from the creativity that's brought about that fuels the economy and the chaos that it causes, the disruption that it causes and finding that perfect balance. >> well, remember, that's exactly the way a free mark works and what you'd expect to see is as decades go on an generations go on, the means by which we produce our services get more and more sophisticated and in a sense, the microcosm of that is, for example, when some corporation puts on a wholly new facility of how they're produced. their sales are the same. but their unit costs are very much less. and american productivity...

It's not just -- >> what do you mean by that? >> pipelines and electricity transmission lines lead to coal plants where there's the most wind and solar. you don't have transmission lines built there. it's not a matter of plucking one piece of a system out and putting a new piece in. you talk about building a whole new system, and it's very hard to sort of compare unit costs when you're talking about that. you're talking about a more holistic view of things. >> i think it's important to point out that with the wind industry we have the production tax credit, which is a credit. it's not a subsid...

$5 mark and americans don't want to pay any premium for electric vehicles and according to this study, half said they are not willing to pay any more. president obama happened to be addressing the high costs of electric vehicles. i don't know if you saw, he was in virginia. let's listen to this first. >> you're right that right now hybrid cars are more expensive but partly that's because we haven't increased demand enough for it and the unit costs have gone down and the more you produce of something, the cheaper it gets. remember what it used to cost you for a flat screen tv or laptop computer...