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Police. in 2002 jerry sandusky was no longer with the football program and no longer under penn state. when allegations happened again, joe paterno, took it to his -- now, this time it was not a football program. this time it was a university problem. joe took it to tim curley and schultz. >> so you think he did enough. i get that. and -- >> and tim curley and schultz did not do their job. >> yeah. >> and people are saying because they didn't do their job joe should have baby-sated them and done the job for them. >> okay. >> now, joe mentioned that he feels he could have done more, but i feel ...

Do, too. >> let's take another one. sarika, it's a little more general, this comment, you can't -- this is in response to my request for fixes for the education system, for the college and university problem. she said, you can't just fix the whole education system. you have to look at the whole socioeconomic picture. that's kind of the point you were making in the last segment when we spoke, this is not just -- it's not a new problem. it's not just a state college and university problem. >> yeah, the budget cuts in higher education are also being felt in other parts of state government. there'...

Longer with the football program and no longer under penn state. when allegations happened again, joe paterno, took it to his -- now, this time it was not a football program. this time it was a university problem. joe took it to tim curley and schultz. >> so you think he did enough. i get that. and -- >> and tim curley and schultz did not do their job. >> yeah. >> and people are saying because they didn't do their job joe should have baby-sated them and done the job for them. >> okay. >> now, joe mentioned that he feels he could have done more, but i feel he says that because joe's not one to ...