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Action and therefore, i don't think you can criticize and write him off for that. >> dana: why did he vote for the bill two weeks ago? >> kennedy: this is what i think and i don't want to speak for him but -- >> kennedy: the skinny bill was meant to be gutted. completely hollowed out. it was going to be a franken bill that was not going to resemble itself at all by the time it got to the house. >> kimberly: like the skinny bill margarita. [laughter] >> juan: republicans are not o sincere about it. it's a great start. i'm with you, jesse. is this a bill that was promised over seven years -- a v...

One of the hangups is that the congressional budget office hasn't said -- i can't imagine what the people over at cbr are trying to do. how do you know what citizens and governors are going to decide? you don't. how do you know what insurance companies -- how they are going to react and raise premiums and how that is going to affect the market and the number of people insured? >> jesse: i guess what you do is you keep obamacare, all the taxes and regulations but you take all the money and send it to the states and then they can state.within the >> kimberly: complication as well with that. five...