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You know, mass shooting. a president stabbing somebody? you know, it just shows you that -- the tone and the drift in this country is just, it's got to stop. and it's really up to us to stop it. >> and i know you've written a book about that and we will get to it, but as john avlon pointed out this morning, what kind of upside down world are we in, when this is the president's supporters. there might have been a time where you would think, oh, well, the president's critics who don't like his policy on gun violence would show him engaged in a mass shooting. these are his supporters now showing ...

Will kill people. >> i've been accused of rolling back the clean power plan, but you can't roll back something that never went into effect. >> a coalition of 22 states filed suit against the trump administration to block the ace rule. >> we're in an upside down world where the epa has become a threat rather than a protector of public health. >> neither the epa or pruitt responded to cnn's interview requests. coming up, we're on the front lines of these epa rollbacks. i've been diagnosed with

Overwhelmingly leading this group. >> well, john has been touting the philosophy in upside down world where somehow this is helping joe biden. your thoughts. >> that's not upside down. that's right side up world. >> you think being critical of barack obama ends up actually helping joe biden how? >> the other candidates are critiquing barack obama so of course it helps him out if he's the one defending him. this is the legacy. building on obama's legacy is it very important to or not very important to. very important to, joe biden crushing that vote, 22%. it's this group helping joe biden and t...

Offers the president of the united states or his representatives information that helps him in his election campaign knows that that president if elected is in their pro pocket, and they can manipulate him. which may in fact be what we've been seeing for the last 2 1/2 years. it shows an extraordinary disregard for our democracy, for the integrity of our elections, for our values as a nation. he aligns himself against our institutions, our law enforcement, our fbi, our intelligence community. and sets himself on the side of leaders like putin and kim jong-un. it's a very, very distorted upside...

You said, that it's so out in the open. it shows an extraordinary disregard for our democracy, for the integrity of our elections, for our values as a nation. he aligns himself against our institutions, our law enforcement, our fbi, our intelligence community. and sets himself on the side of leaders like putin and kim jong-un. it's a very, very distorted upside down world. and i hope very much that the american people do not forget the difference between right from wrong, normal and absolutely abnormal, which is what we're experiencing in these times. >> i think when we as americans had concep...