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Away from the votes he needs. he only needs 50 with pence being the deciding vote. but i think the conservatives are playing a game. i think they're very likely to vote yes in the end after getting some token concessions. so i think mcconnell is probably, even with all the dissent there seems to be in the republican caucus right now, i think a lot of that is an act, and i think mcconnell is probably very close to having the votes he needs to pass this thing. >> neera, what we've seen in the house is people staking out positions either to the left or right, as it were, of the paul ryan bill. an...

Direction, and so then they get on board a bill that, from my distance, didn't look that different from the one they objected to. >> no, absolutely. in the house, with the most recent passage, it was called the upton amendment. they sort of phonied up a policy proposal that said they were dealing with issues, and then they passed the bill. but here's what i would say about this. this bill is devastating for states that have done the medicaid expansion -- ohio, nevada, west virginia. it's really critical that as we go into this weekend, people explain to their senators in those states how devas...

Got this through the house. and, you know, he basically denied that anyone would lose coverage. he pointed to this $8 billion from the upton amendment and said that was going to fully cover people with pre-existing conditions. but most of the -- >> not to interrupt you, but what about medicaid as well? there's a problem there as well. so how can you deny that 24 million people coming from the congressional budget office could feasibly lose their health care under this? it just doesn't make sense. >> the republican line right now is to say that everyone is going to be adequately covered. and it...

Came with the upton amendment. >> yes. >> the total money we're talking about is $138 billion. describe to me why that number from kaiser shows $8 billion when it should say $138 billion, the total money for these high-risk pools? >> because if you're putting them in the high-risk pools, you're taking them out from someplace else, so that $100 billion necessary say is not enough. you'll need more than that to pull those people out of high-risk pools. >> i think this is the problem here. we are chasing our tail on this because so much is not known. >> there are so many questions. >> i just don'...

Covered. no one will lose insurance. it will cost less. can this bill live up to those promises? >> it won't necessarily cost less. the whole idea behind the pooling arrangements, it was originally $15 billion in the palmer amendment and then $8 billion got added with the upton amendment in terms of protecting people with high risk status. so there is real status. what we're doing now with the affordable care act is a hidden cost shift from many people who are healthy and perhaps, two within the individual health care marketplace over to people who have more pro found health care needs. what w...