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And then would a court allow them to enforce it. they're clearly setting up for that kind of clash ahead. >> let me ask about that because, garrett, liz cheney has been pretty, i mean, not direct but almost direct about where she thinks this is going. she has spoken in terms that make you think maybe there is something criminal with the president. i mean, what is your sense on the willingness to subpoena a sitting member of congress given, frankly, the gravity of what they are investigating. >> well, look, liz cheney has been quoting from u.s. code. i mean, she clearly thinks there were crimes...

That were committed. liz cheney was very precise, clearly channeling a decision of a trump appointee, judge dab any friedrick from last week. she essentially quoted from 18 u.s. code section 1512 which makes it a federal crime for anyone corruptly to obstruct or impede, whether by action or inaction an official proceeding, and she held, dabney friedrick held in a prosecution brought by the justice department against some foot soldiers that an official proceeding includes what congress has to do when it counts the electoral votes on january 6. that's one of many federal crimes that are involved...

Action or inaction, corruptly seek to obstruct or impede congress's official proceedings to count electoral votes? >> all together now. mr. meadows testimony will bear on a key question before this committee. did donald trump direction or inaction, corruptly seek or or impede congress official proceedings to count the electoral votes? says this cheney last night. says liz cheney today. the vice chair has repeatedly asked that question. to make the case for how important it is to talk to mark meadows. she has repeatedly asked that question about the criminal culpability of former president dona...

Proceedings to count the electoral votes?" says liz cheney last night. says liz cheney today. the vice chair of the investigation is repeatedly asking that question. to make the case for how important it is to talk to mark meadows. she's repeatedly asking that question about the criminal culpability of former president donald trump. and i'm saying the phrase criminal culpability here because the language she is quoting there in that clunky turn of phrase which she is deliberately repeating, that turn of phrase is from a federal criminal statute. 18 u.s. code section 1505. "whoever corruptly in...

18 u.s. code section 1505. "whoever corruptly influences, obstructs or impedes the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the united states shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five years or if the s offense involves international or domestic terrorism imprisoned by not more than eight years." this is a federal crime that the vice chair of the investigation says it is inquiring about when it comes to mr. trump and they would like to question mr. meadows about whether or not mr. trump commi...