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There because the russians really have an intent to go turn off the power sometime, they never have, or whether it is there to prepare for if there was ever a conflict. the u.s. strategy until now has been largely one of surveillance. but not one of placing incredibly aggressive malware back in their systems. and that has changed over the past year, as you said, and as the story reports, because of new legislation and new presidential orders that allow u.s. cyber command to go take far more aggressive defensive actions and some offensive actions for deterrence purposes. we just don't know if i...

Powerful in his denial today. >> jonathan, it has to start at the top if there will be an attempt to stop russia. they did one thing in 2018 on election day and the days while the votes were being counted, they took down the internet research agencies internet. they basically did the first that we know, offensive cyber attack from u.s. cyber command. >> the efforts have been minimal. the president's remarks from last summer remain striking and sort of for a president who is able to shake off bad headlines, able to dodge things that would have ended other careers. there are a few things that wi...

Turn his sight now on saying, hey, russia, you didn't help me win, you didn't collude in my campaign, but you did meddle in our democracy. so you need to stop it, basically. >> well, we have seen this. congress has given u.s. cyber command a lot of new authority to be able to take actions in the cyber domain and push back against russia. now, they won't tell us what those are because they're very secret but we do know that we have this new authority, general mak a asoni has reported this just last month. it is a new and different world from what we saw in 2016 already and be sure that presiden...

Repercussions from the mueller report. but again, as national security and military analyst, what fallout in that regard might you be anticipating? >> well, from the national security perspective, we have to keep in mind that the u.s. is engaged on a daily basis in cyber competition with russia. our forces at u.s. cyber command have persistent engagement with russia. we may also see impact from china too and the whole purpose of this investigation was to look into how much russia had tried to influence that election. they've done that not only here, but in many countries around the world. so t...

Election or perhaps even in other countries? >> 2020, the best defense is a good offense and i leave that to u.s. cyber command. we've also seen our state and local officials spend $800 million to shore up cyber security. the candidates, the campaign, dnc, rnc, you've got to take cyber security seriously. no more stupid, weak passwords. you've got to tighten up. 2020 will be safer. 2018 was safer. 2020 will be better yet. arthel: thank you so much for your analysis. >> thank you. eric: it's a victory against isis, the radical islamic terrorist group losing its final strong diss hold in syria. ...