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>> lawrence: this is one of the three most piratical places on the planet. it's pretty safe around here now, it usen't to be in the earlier days when we were filming here. >> anthony: you first arrived in indonesia in '65, right? >> lawrence: that's right. but it was pretty -- pretty hairy then. >> anthony: given that you arrived at absolutely the worst possible time, what was it about the place that compelled you to come back? >> lawrence: unexplored regions, tropical animals, ancient civilizations, long memory amongst the people, mysticism. everything a school boy would obviously love. >> an...

That we too are ephemeral. and this is why it's quite an extraordinary thing, that you actually light the match that consumes your loved one. when it's in your face, that we are not our bodies. because they really believe in an afterlife. they really believe that you will be coming back and you will be joining your ancestors in the meantime. maybe wrong, but it's wonderful to be able to believe that. and to derive all the warmth and strength and benefit of it. is this all human poetry? or is there something in it? >> anthony: yeah, i wonder, i mean i thought about as one does, you know how i w...

Attending one. >> lawrence: you are? you will be? >> anthony: yes. >> lawrence: well, a balinese funeral is a very sobering phenomenon, especially for us westerners who distance ourselves from death. they spend quite a long time doing these beautiful offerings, all of it to go up in flames. >> anthony: ah. >> lawrence: so it's an ephemeral art, and the idea is that we too are ephemeral. and this is why it's quite an extraordinary thing, that you actually light the match that consumes your loved one. when it's in your face, that we are not our bodies. because they really believe in an afterlife...

Imbalance, it's the other way around. the right is the intuitive, holistic, access to everything we've ever been. >> anthony: that's the right way. >> lawrence: access to our genetic memory, exactly. >> anthony: so they know stuff we don't know. >> lawrence: they definitely know stuff we don't know. ♪ >> anthony: given all the time you spent in indonesia, do you experience life differently or in any way similarly to the way people here look at it? >> lawrence: no, i don't think i do see it the way people here see it. i like to think i can see what it is they're seeing as it were, but i've go...

The way to bali? ♪ ♪ >> lawrence: this is one of the three most piratical places on the planet. it's pretty safe around here now, it usen't to be in the earlier days when we were filming here. >> anthony: you first arrived in indonesia in '65 right? >> lawrence: that's right. but it was pretty -- pretty hairy then. >> anthony: given that you arrived at absolutely the worst possible time, what was it about the place that compelled you to