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. we're back. joined by the top policy makers in the senate. from cairo, democrat john kerry, chairman ever the senate armed services committee carl levin and republican member of the armed services committee, senator jeff sessions. welcome to all of you. in terms of the end game here, senators, president obama earlier this month couldn't have been more clear in terms of what he wanted to happen to colonel gadhafi. listen. >> let me just be very unambiguous about this. colonel gadhafi needs to step down from power and leave. >> and yet, senator kerry, i want to hear from all of you in terms ...

Nations licensed and i would not call it going to war. this is ita very limited operatn that's geared to save lives and it was specifically targeted on a humanitarian basis. it is not geared to try to get rid of gadhafi. he has not been targeted. that is not what is happening here. so, in my judgment, we have to see where we go from here. remember, in kosovo, after the initial efforts, presidethe pre of finland and of the soviet union, russia, were involved immediately in diplomacy and were ultimately persuaded to do things. i think there's a lot of room for a lot of different initiatives, but...

Principles underlying it, which is we have to find some place to cut it and cut aggressively. i am more focused now on the balanced budget amendment. i think we need to get that done and get members of congress to agree with the american people, who overwhelmingly favor the passage of a balanced budget amendment, telling congress it can't couldn't to act borrowing the credit card that will have to be paid one day. >> we can discuss the amendment that would require you this year to cut $1.3 trillion. let's start with a small number. explain to me how are you going to cut $500 billion from this ...