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Degradation, comparing that to what the government is doing now, is that too much of a stretch? >> listen, i call slavery from physical slavery to economic slavery. obama put up too many barriers against hard working americans where people are suffering from reduced living standards. if you look energy policy, for example, high energy policies are regressive. harm the poor, the ones on low income. they are least able to afford high energy prices. in new york, gas is over 4ed the a gallon. utility prices are up. sadly, obama a war on coal. coal provides an abundance of our electricity. people a...

Issues somewhere, and we have to get real. alisyn: even you saying go out and buy a car that gets 50% more gas mileage. those are the alternative energy thing the president is talking about. it sounds like you support some of those things he's trying to do. >> i support the toyota corolla, they are not a hybrid, they are just a better car, a smaller car. >> they can consume 50% less with a different vehicle tomorrow. that's a personal thing. >> they are much more dangerous if they are smaller and hit on impact. but the epa regulations on the coal industry -- people are screaming about gas pric...

Things that could happen between niewpped election time. so how does this figure into the political conversation? >> rising prices are a big problem for any incumbent president. we remember back in 1980 when jim yeah carter lost the white house, the primary reason he lost was because of very high inflation. look, we don't have the kind of inflation rates we had under jimmy carter, but when people start feel thank squeeze, jenna, of higher food price, high gas price, higher utility prices, those things do really shrink the family budget, and make times tougher for americans. and remember, we sa...

It wasn't the kind of rhetoric we're used to seeing from obama that ends up somewhere in the ether and nowhere. so i liked it! i think he's got to find favor again with the financial sector and he knows that. he knows about 2012. i wish this was an admission that his policies were wrong. but, unfortunately, i think this is really just politicking. >> right, if you wanted to believe the president has come to the middle, robert, what would you like to see? >> we appreciate the new rhetoric. he can go to his own environmental protection agency, the e.p.a. where they're going in and trying to push...

That is about reducing the amount that ends up in the hands of the saudis, and the russians and hugo chavez. if you do cap-and-trade and off tax on coal you undo all of that. here you will have a huge tax on coal, which is our energy supply to supply half of our electricity. it will increase the cost and decrease the use. thus, it will call us to import the energy from outside. >> is there enough anger about the b.p. oil spill to propel legislation that deals not only with the oil spill but the energy prices overall. and people at home will likely see utility prices go up dramatically in an el...