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Make sure we debt the deficit under control, then we can see it raised but where -- at least i'm not going to support a clean debt ceiling increase because we have to get our debt and debt problems at least on a pathway with are we can see light at the erptsth tunnel. right now keep piling it up. that's not the way the republicans should govern. when we do a increase it should have significant reforms built in. >> how do you make sense of trump's tweet where he said i suggested that they tie it into the popular va bill, which just passed for easy approval. they didn't do it. so now we have a b...

You're on the same page as that front. >> let me assure you we are completely on the same page. we are speaking on a regular basis. what the president said was that his strong preference had been when they passed the va bill that they attached the debt ceiling to that so we wouldn't be dealing with this in september. what i have said before, my strong preference is we have a clean debt ceiling but the most important is the debt ceiling will be raised in september. i have had discussions with leaders in both parties in the house and senate and we are all on the same page. the government inten...

Of the house. he might but it's iffy. what he is concerned about is forcing votes or holding votes that force his members to either be for or against something trump is arguing for so they find themselves in primaries beginning right after labor day when people start coming out of the woodwork. he's got a tougher job to do to protect his membership from attacks from their right. i think not doing the va bill with the debt ceiling is a good indication of keeping those guys off the ledge. i think it's what he had to do. >> alex, i'll give you the last word here. how do you think paul ryan and mi...

Americans. we should be talking about job creation. you would think with president trump's background as a developer he would be talking about investments and infrastructure, perhaps a robust public works program, but to talk about building a wall i think it exacerbates the flames of intolerance. >> congress as you know also needs to raise the nation's debt ceiling by the end of next month, the credit worthiness of the u.s. government will be put at risk with potentially devastating economic consequences for the american public. will you vote for what's called a clean debt ceiling increase or ...

And is warning the public to plan ahead, but he may soon face the first weather disaster on his watch without a homeland security secretary in place. even though the president unleashed a new twitter attack on top of, top congressional leaders, republicans slamming senate majority leader mitch mcconnell for failing to get a health care bill passed and blaming mcconnell and house speaker paul ryan for what he calls the debt ceiling can mess. the president has threatened to shut down the government if, if congress doesn't put the bill for his southern border wall. mexico refused to pay for it, n...