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Not going to do you buy the argument that's the place where the republicans can make ground if there is any to be made up on this? >> just as a political matter, frankly, the debt is a much more serious matter. we have had government shutdowns repeatedly over the decades, and it hasn't brought the economy or the financial system to a halt. we have never defaulted in our debt, and that would be regarded by the world more seriously. having said that, people don't like raising the debt limit. we're 16, 17 trillion dollars in debt. politically an easier play for the republicans, and but house repu...

That's why we moved to a secluded house in the middle of the wilderness. just the right coverage at just the right price. coverage checker from progressive. >> trace: this is "studio b." and a fox urgent now. president obama is set to make a statement just moments from now on the budget battle that threatens to shut down the government. keep in mind, if you're just joining us, the senate refunded obamacare and sent this bill back to the house. it's very unlikely the house is going to send a clean bill back to the senate, maybe asking once again to defund obamacare so the impasse goes on, and w...

Public does with obamacare and then see how much members of congress like that. and so they are waiting to figure out -- they want to meet with their members tomorrow around lunchtime here, the house members, and once the house leadership has the meeting with the rank-and-file, they'll go forward with the plan, and the clock is running. there's not a whole lot of time before we run up against october 1st. >> trace: it's a double deadline. but a lot of people think that this budget deal, shutting down the government, is really like the drop-dead. it's catastrophic. critics say it's not. the big...

This cr that comes back from the house. now, the senate has said, the democrats in charge have said they're not going to put up with that. the problem is you're up against a deadline of tuesday, and if on sunday the house sends back something with some stipulations, the senate then has to deal with it, either strip it and send it back. we're in a game of ping-pong between the senate and house, and it has tedline. >> trace: some called it,, a gae of poker, and a game of poker between the senate and the house and between the president and members of congress. so it looks like from the outside th...

The kenyan troops and soldiers. investigators are trying to piece together what happened. they're saying it will take a lot of time, several more days at the minimum. but the picture is a very chaotic scene and concern about how effective and responsible the kenyan soldiers and troops that were in there were being. a lot of concerns and questions being answered right now about, maybe they were a bit too aggressive trying to get rid of the fighters from the al-shabab. but who knows. looks like a war san antonio there right now. >> trace: where are they when it comes to searching for suspects in...