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>> let's go. we're going to have a chitchat. >> they bring him in for a interview about his possible gang affiliation as part of the validation process. >> we did shake downs in your unit today. that's why you were out in rec yard for awhile. during the search we found this book here with gang writing symbolism on it. we want to ask you about it. >> what about it? >> what information is on it? what do you have written? >> what does it say? >> i'm asking you. >> come on, man. you're going to do what you're going to do. you know what i mean? it says what it says. that's what it is. some numbers,...

Predators, still thugs, still gangsters and they don't want to give that life up. what they do, they go out in these sensitive needs yard and seize opportunity. you know, he's going to prey on the weak. they call themselves the 2-5s. in spanish, a quarter is, their pcs they say in spanish. from there they took it on to 2-5. >> they're active on our facility and other snys throughout the state here. we've placed several of them in administrative segregation, and we're in the process now of validating some of these inmates as being members of the disruptive group. we've discovered various tattoo...

We disputed the dna evidence at the very beginning that was used to convict her. >> what did they get wrong about the dna evidence? >> well, what they did was, they went way below where we look, so there's a level at which we set our instruments for sensitivity. and you don't want to go below that, because there's chemicals or small bits of transfer that can occur. that's one of the reasons. if you want to go that far down, you have to demonstrate through a validation process that you can. so the normal level for those instruments was at a level called 200 relative fluorescent units. they took...

The very beginning that was used to convict her. >> what did they get wrong about the dna evidence? >> well, what they did was, they went way below where we look, so there's a level at which we set our instruments for sensitivity. and you don't want to go below that, because there's chemicals or small bits of transfer that can occur. that's one of the reasons. if you want to go that far down, you have to demonstrate through a validation process that you can. so the normal level for those instruments was at a level called 200 relative fluorescent units. they took them down far below that. the f...

>> no, there is never any doubt about this case. we disputed the dna evidence at the very beginning that was used to convict her. >> what did they get wrong about the dna evidence? >> well, what they did was, they went way below where we look, so there's a level at which we set our instruments for sensitivity. and you don't want to go below that, because there's chemicals or small bits of transfer that can occur. that's one of the reasons. if you want to go that far down, you have to demonstrate through a validation process that you can. so the normal level for those instruments was at a level...