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Your opinion? >> well, i actually think women, and men, can have great careers and great families. but we have to make lots of changes. and this book is about how we have to change things we have to value care, the kind of -- we have to value our work as mothers and fathers and daughters and sons as much as we value our work as anchors, and foreign policy experts. and we have to change options and roles for men. >> you also say that someone has to be the lead parent >> yes. >> in the book. >> i do. so that is where if somebody in a couple has a really big job, and i've had big jobs where i've ...

Read to the extreme, the sicker you are, the more money we make as physicians. the more times you come into our office, the more money we make. the more procedures we do, the more money we make. that's just opposite of what high value care should be about. do we pay the most amount of money to people that may do procedures or should we be paying more money to the nurses and primary care doctors to keep you from needing those procedures? >> are there greedy people in the system the way you outlined it? doctors greedy, pharmaceutical companies greedy? is that what has driven some of this? >> i t...

Now called fee for service where we are paid for doing things to people. the ultimate of that, if carried to the extreme would be the sicker you are, the more money we make as physicians. the more times you come into our office, the more money we make. the more procedures we do, the more money we make. that's just the opposite of what high value care should be all about. do we pay the most amount of money to people that may do procedures or should we be paying a little more money to nurses and primary care doctors to keep you from needing those procedures? >> are there greedy people in the sys...