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>> i think it is part of both. the nra's power has been dwindling, and there are people, and politicians, entertainers, pulling out of the nra convention. so, the nra leadership does not represent its membership. that is important to remember, as well. their money is not worth life. you cannot say that donations to a political politician are worth 19 children's lives, and to teachers. this is the value equation that makes no sense. it should not be about money, it should be about sentiment, and it should be about people making their note. what is a kind of america that they want to live in? if...

To teachers. this is the value equation that makes no sense. it should not be about money, it should be about sentiment, and it should be about people making their note. what is a kind of america that they want to live in? if you're politicians aren't delivering that then, what? >> you've gone through this. you are a mother who is gone through the horrible experience of losing a topic on violence at school. says that most people are not going to disagree with you, this is one of the most serious things are society faces. still, it is not front of mind for everyone. still, there are people who ...

When you say the people need to come out and vote for it, what does that look like? typically, it is money, it is resources, to take out these ads to, do these things. is that enough sentiment to do it? >> i think it is part of both. the nra's power has been dwindling, and there are people, and politicians, entertainers, pulling out of the nra convention. so, the nra leadership does not represent its membership. that is important to remember, as well. their money is not worth life. you cannot say that donations to a political politician are worth 19 children's lives, and to teachers. this is t...

Cover. the one thing i would have added because the comprehensive health care bill on the table doesn't do it and that is really transform how you get value out of medicine. how you get results. how you get outcomes and change the way medicine is practiced to make it less wasteful, to cut that 30% of waste out of it. there's nothing in the bill that changes the way medicine is practiced, and thus, it comes to this value equation that explains the cost issue as well as access. >> that's absolutely true. that's one thing we agree on. if you want to change what we do here, you have to stop paying...

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