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The appearances of rudy giuliani over the last few days? >> i didn't speak with him specifically about his feelings about it but certainly feels he's an added member, added value member to his outside special counsel. >> you know, willie, of course he had to tell -- he told the press several daysing that rudy giuliani needed to get his story straight, he was new the white house and so he had to get up to speed, he just didn't know some things and then giuliani came out this weekend talking about how there might be more women out there, causing one additional problem after another additional pr...

Appearances have caused alarm in the white house but two sources familiar with the president's thinking tell nbc's kristen welker that the president is finally, i've added that word, beginning to lose patience with some of giuliani's recent interviews, in which he has at times contradicted the president and the administration. one source says quote the president still has confidence in rudy, but rudy will need nor discipline to keep the president's confidence. trump attorney jay sekulow says giuliani continues to provide valuable counsel to the president and the legal team. and press secretary...

Member -- added value member to his outside special counsel. >> so on top of this yesterday the white house gave no definitive answer after giuliani opened the door to unknown pay utes to women who had affairs with president trump. >> did michael cohen make other payouts to women for the president? >> i have no knowledge of that. he made payments for the president. he conducted business for the president. >> is that possible? are there other women out there who received money from the president to stay quiet? >> i'm not aware of any other ak tifr aktivety but i would refer tow you to giuliani ...

Into this and still finding nothing, the fact that we're still talking about it and has the potential to impact the 2018 election. i think the point he is making is how ridiculous it is that we're still having this conversation and the depths to which this research has gone on and an investigation has been conducted and still produced nothing. >> is the president pleased with the appearances much rudy giuliani over the last few days? >> i didn't speak with him specifically about his feelings about it. but certainly feels that he is an added member -- added value member to his outside special c...

Over the past few days. >> i didn't speak with him about his feelings about it. but certainly feels that he's an added member -- added value member to his outside special counsel. >> joining me now, we have former federal prosecutor joseph moreno with us. so if the president decides that he's going to plead the fifth, what happens then? what is the effect, the domino effect of that. >> we don't really know. because it never really has been done. this would be considered kryptonite to any other president so i think every effort would have been made not to get to this point and to negotiate some...