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That vehicle. she also believes it to be protocol for that van driver to transmit a call to dispatch to say i'm making this stop stopping here, i have to get gas -- that call wasn't made for the second stop. >> right. it wasn't made for that stop. we also know that freddie gray requested medical assistance several times. >> that's not unusual. suspects will say, hey, i'm hurt i'm hurt when sometimes they're just crying wolf, right mo? >> absolutely. but i want to make the point there's the officer who refuses to speak to invoke the right of self-in crimination. it's in fact the driver. >> it's...

That is this van made a stop that we did not know about, that no police officers told us about, that we the investigators discovered only by seeing some private video of it. >> look, the van driver is the plain player here because, obviously, he's the one driving. and whether or not there was an intentional act, and that's obviously a key question, was it intentional driving in the van to try to make freddie gray roll around in the back of the van. it doesn't have to be that. he's unsecured. he's not seat belted, he's shackled, it may be enough to throw him off force with enough balance. he's ...

Shackled. okay. >> right. >> so we see that happening. and then we fast forward somewhere to along in here 9:11. some 13 minutes or so. we know that -- not the second prisoner. i don't want to get to that. sorry. let me get rid of that. bring it here. it's then heading to central booking. so there's these gaps in here that we know. and we also know about this -- i can't make it go away. i'm so sorry. we know about these gaps in here and this second undisclosed stop previously how concerning is that to you as an attorney? >> it's concerning to me as an attorney because what it indicates is a po...

That time just the stop before the van driver stopped, because he obviously suspected something was wrong and wanted other police to come and check on the prisoner. chris, this case boils down to a couple of really key questions, and will that rise then to criminal negligence. did the van driver do something to cause that to cause mr. gray to get slammed into the side of the wall? did he do it intentionally? the mere fact that he wasn't secured is by a seat belt as required by policy makes him vulnerable and raises all kinds of questions about what police should have been doing. and then by po...

Back then the other person that was back there would have been rolling around in the back also and they weren't. >> a document from someone who was with freddie gray in the van that says to the police according to them he tried to hurt himself, the family member of one of the officers involved saying they thought that he got hurt before he was in the van. so let's examine this. how much weight should it have? whether this prisoner matters, does the family member matter more? cnn justice reporter evan perez is digging down for us. what do you got? >> you know chris, we're talking about six bloc...