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Van, but there's five stops and in each stop different police officers come in. so there's no way to prove when the injury happened. was during arrest? was it during the dragging? was it during the van ride? i mean it's a problem. i know a lot of people have also talked about the financial contribution that mr. murphy made but i don't find that to be a conflict because either single defense attorney always contributes to the prosecutor. so that's not a problem that you've recently talked about. >> thank you both for joining us. still ahead, it's being called a breakthrough in punishing those...

Merit. there are three things that really stood out to me yesterday in the press conference at the state -- when the state attorney laid out her case by the way. she gave a fair amount of detail, more detail than i've ever heard as state attorney present charges the at the very beginning against police officers. first of all, there was an illegal arrest here. there was no probable cause to arrest the individual in this case and as she stated he died in the custody of the police. he never should have been in the custody of the police. second of all, he was -- proper protocols were not followed ...

By her doing this van ride and this tour of iowa is this showing, in terms of the visuals, that she really wants to champion the people on the ground? >> that's right. and when you look at her first video, it was about other people. it's always been about other people and the fight on the ground and that's really what she's doing here not just on the commercial but in listening with people and meeting with people. it's really about them and that's about a good part of this and she's enjoying it. we're enjoying it. we're going to keep doing this. this is how you earn a vote one by one, person b...

There was an article that essentially says he said a thing he says he didn't say. what are the key things to take away from what this second prisoner is saying about that van ride? the key thing to take away is he couldn't have seen mr. gray. i asked him, i think we aired the whole thing. i asked him, did you hear him say anything? he didn't hear him say anything. we have reported that at that time when mr. allen is loaded on to the van at that stop that by that time according to our sources, mr. gray was unresponsive. a couple of minutes later when they get to the western district, he has no ...

Night live?" >> i feel bad for the reporters. it's not their fault. the editors and the producers sending them after her, it is their farther. they were probably told if you don't get a picture of her in the scooby van, you're going to get fired. you want to have your people chasing her around like this because she bought a burrito, or make her come to you. where was campaign carl? was he in that throng? >> are you kidding me? i'm not doing any of that stuff. >> the scooby van looks like a limo. she's the one who chose scooby van. >> like a volkswagen van. >> this is my bus ride or my van ride...