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Because this seems to have played a role in the catastrophic injury up from jumping around in the van or rough ride or whatever the evidence will show. not getting him a medic, just because he says i can't breathe, isn't going to cut it. the reality of policing and there will be testimony 0 this effect is defendants placed under arrest after they just lead the police on a foot chase will say all sorts of things to try to get out of the instant situation to say i need help go to a hospital instead of police hq. it is not the case just because he says i can't breathe and i need a medic that the ...

So-called rough ride. and so far, it looks like that's admitted by the state. that officer goodson's charges relate to the fact of someone in%ñ the back who thier going to argue he knew was in distress and that he didn't get him help, mark 37. >> if you believe everything, certainly i question a lot of the evidence, give them the benefit of the doubt, at worst you have negligence. you don't have recklessness. there is a difference between the two. one requires a willful and wanton disregard of human life or property. and slamming on the brakes and give him a rough ride, it's reckless. >> i wo...

Either. we don't think gray was bouncing his head against the wall. we think the police officers said let's take him for a rough ride and the driver ernlly hit the brakes. >> right. but he he is the defense's best evidence that freddie gray did this to himself. that he was on drugs. which the autopsy report shows. that he was acting erratically. he got up in the back of the van to hurt himself. that's their theory. >> unless you have an expert like you had and said somebody could not cause this injury by themselves. >> correct. >> hold on. >> go ahead, mark. >> okay. all they have to do is cre...

He's the driver of the van. second-degree murder. now -- >> listen. >> there is no evidence of a so-called rough ride. and so far, it looks like that's admitted by the state. that officer goodson's charges relate to the fact of someone in the back they argue he knew was in distress and didn't get him help mark. >> if you believe everything certainly i requestquestion a lot of the evidence give them the benefit of the doubt, at worst you have negligence. you don't have recklessness. there is a difference between the two. one requires a willful and wanton disregard of human life or property. and...

We think the police officers .é said let's take him for a rough ride and the driver ernlly hit the brakes. >> right. but he, he is the defense's best evidence that freddie gray did this to himself. that he was on drugs. which the autopsy report shows. that he was acting erratically. he got up in the back of the van to hurt himself. that's their theory. >> unless you have an expert like you had and said somebody could not cause this injury by themselves. >> correct. >> hold on. >> go ahead, mark. >> okay. all they have to do is create reasonable doubt. they don't have to say this witness is cr...