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Is it any wonder that people ask how many representatives of the Church are even interested in God rather than power, prestige or pet peeves?

We look at njohn paul ii and sad his life was testimony of holy and god and revered. >> you like it. you think it's progressive and re-enforcing the right things? >> i wouldn't have put him on the fast track myself. john 23rd ushered in something so new with vatican two. some would say john paul ii closed him down a little again. there are some controversy with john paul ii that he tried to undo some of the advances of vatican two and more progressive, more liberal leaning catholics don't like that. >> they say you're supposed to wait five years after the death before you start considering it....

Vatican 2. both he and john paul ii saw their papacies an attempt to interpret vatican too properly. not so much a modernization of the church, vatican ii was an evangelical missionary council. to some degree modernizing to make the church a more apt meaning to that. hence the wide travel for example of john paul ii, hence the great teaching of benedict xvi. i think that's his major legacy. >> they're very different at least in their style and in their i guess pastor abilities in some way, although not very different philosophically. >> this has been a really unsuccessful papacy and the

Relativism, and the real problem in the church itself, in the priesthood was moral relativism. >> that leads us to the question of, what will these 115 cardinal electors be looking for? do you grow with what carl has had to say as the to what they will think is their mission? >> we barely handled vatican 2, barely begun the implementation of vatican 2. i think certainly the addressing of the sex abuse problem, a need for more governance in the church, more accountability and transparency. they'll be looking more for a governor. you had in john paul and in b benedict, they were extraordinary te...

Of john paul ii. they were both men of the council. they were at vatican 2 and contributed and i think both saw an attempt to interpret vatican 2 properly. i would say that's the major contribution of pope benedict. he wanted to read vatican 2 as a an evangelical council, a council to get the message of the faith out to the wider world and i think in koont knewty with john paul and that's probably the major legacy. >> father, this will kick off sort of the ultimate insider political battle if you will. i can think of nothing less than transparent of the election. it's a cardinal sin to discuss...