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Deterred. from the moment he got the car, he was on the mission. >> why went the truck is one question you had. why is that a question in your mind? >> if he's going to take a vehicle and have a vehicle attack and he's got a van and another car at home, why go to a home depot and expose yourself to someone else? another point of identification potentially instead of just taking the car he has and driving it into the city? the other thing is targeting. what was the route? he took there and did he pass other buses and other intersections? why was this the intersection he picked? they're talking ...

Defense and the reason why, intelligence gathering takes years to become experts in editor takes another 10 or 20 years to figure this out which it very well could, defense has to be, everyone here is tired of that security, time to boost personal security for private companies and get them in places bag can be checked and get the police the assistance they need, they can't do everything. jillian: tired of talking about another vehicle attack, there was one in july of last year. as regular civilians who walk the streets every day, what can we be doing? >> you are limited to what you can do. an...

They might be the people you talk to every day, they just have a switch go on. >> we see the suspect having a paint ball gun and a bb gun. why have those guns? >> i think almost certainly he wanted to be killed by the police, that he craved -- in his vision he wanted to depot to paradise. you see that in so many plots in the west and elsewhere where this is a big motivating factor. and that is similar thing that happened in niece, france in 2016 whether it was the deadly truck attack killing 80 people. the suspect in that case had a gun and here in the u.k. we saw a case with another vehicle a...

That these sources but we need as many resources as possible and drones are the cheapest way of doing it. jillian: a couple months ago the driver i referenced was the terror related but as an example of how it is hard to control these vehicles that are hitting people. >> one of the things we mentioned, in times square we had that vehicle attack. the nypd is proliferating these throughout the city so it is just a matter of time before we have them up and that could have assisted us with the situation here but that is only one cog in the mechanism of change moving forward with nuances. todd: was...

Happened in nice, france, in 2016 whether it was the deadly truck attack killing 86 people. the suspect in that case had a fake grenade, a replica gun, also appeared to want to be shot by the police. here in the uk, we saw a case with another vehicle attack on london bridge where the three suspects were wearing fake suicide vests again because they wanted to be shot dead by law enforcement. in that case they were. in this case the suspect in his estimation likely has failed to get what they want to die. >> paul and phil, thank you very much. i appreciate that. when we come back, much more on...