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Encouraging to ignore it. they had what they called voluntary protection programs where the industry would agree not to be monitored. you can't do that on the highway. let me make my point about criminal neglect, negligence. if somebody drinks some whiskey in a bar or has too many beers and leaves and gets in their car and runs into somebody and kills them, they're going to be charged with criminal negligence or criminal manslaughter because they took the risk. this ceo took a risk. he took a risk of -- he ignored the rules more than 12 times in that month that they were cited for ventilation ...

Times. her son had only worked in the mine for eight weeks and a couple of times in the last couple of weekse, he was sent home early because of ventilation problems in the mine. i am not sure what the source of the ventilation problems were but a couple of times over the last couple of weeks, he was sent home for ventilation problems. that is going to be the major focus of this investigation as to how this tragedy occurred, kiran. >> john, thanks so much. 15 minutes from now, we are going to get another update on what is going on there in terms of the rescue operation, in terms of what they h...

Issued. you know, what we found is -- and we don't know why, but an imminent danger order was issued on 12/14/09. it wasn't terminated until february 2nd. we can't get details from them, i'm sure, right now. they're busy doing the rescue. the press people are overwhelmed. but something was going terribly wrong with this mine. there were withdraw orders because of the ventilation problems. they had to take miners out of the mine or out of sections to fix the problems. there is no doubt that ventilation problems were plaguing this mine. >> that raises the simple question, why wasn't it shut down...

>> what are the implications based on that news this afternoon about the citation three months ago about the wrong-way air flow at the vents near the escape routes? >> that's incredibly serious. i mean, first of all, there's going to be probably charges brought against that foreman or supervisor who claimed he knew about that for three weeks. they can do that under section 1-10-c of the mine act. it's personal responsibility. there certainly could be criminal charges filed. it's a flagrant violation. it's high negligence. it's reckless disregard. they knew it. that air in that escapeway should...

Imminent danger orders were issued. you know, what we found is -- and we don't know why, but an imminent danger order was issued on 12/14/09. it wasn't terminated until february 2nd. we can't get details from them, i'm sure, right now. they're busy doing the rescue. the press people are overwhelmed. but something was going terribly wrong with this mine. there were withdraw orders because of the ventilation problems. they had to take minors out of the mine or out of sections to fix the problems. there is no doubt that ventilation problems were plaguing this mine. >> that raises the simple quest...