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Really serious questions -- i'm not saying there weren't serious questions in the middle of all of this, but you have a major national security event, you've got to talk about it on the sunday shows. >> i don't disagree with you. i'm just saying bring some balance to this. you think this was a solely disgusting takedown by the republicans, nothing else? >> i don't think anything about this has been proportionate. if you want to go and investigate the security lapses in benghazi or look at what the ambassador or his security detail were doing in benghazi, you don't go after someone for that per...

We all get tired. she works around the clock. but you know what she was doing. >> yeah. >> hillary, that's the political experience. you see it in the corporate world, the political world, the pros that have been around the block a few times. >> decline. >> they know when to step aside. and this is -- i've seen this happen in washington time and time again. i saw it on the house level. i saw it at the white house, you know. friends that worked at the white house where the white house wants you to do them a favor. go out. and it's the eager ones that jump out front and the smart ones that slowl...

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