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Don't believe additional aircraft is the most effective answer to meeting those needs in the conflict. look, sovereign nations can decide for themselves what they want to do. but this idea, the proposal of transferring the jets to our custody and then for them transferring to ukraine, that is not something we're going to explore right now. jen? >> are you taking and providing f-300 missile defense systems? >> i'd rather stay away from the actual systems themselves. we'll look at a broad swath of capabilities. i won't get to individual systems. >> what is the difference of providing javelins an...

Ukraine's air force before they could fly the migs to any effect. the pentagon says other capabilities being provided to ukraine are having a greater effect. the u.s. has transferred 17,000 man portable air defense systems in to ukraine in recent weeks. these weapons are flowing like water. one lawmaker visited the easter flank told me, this remain a ground war with russians relying on artillery. if used, the migs would have to bomb belarus where the air defense systems are located that could draw nato in to a direct conflict, in other words a war with russia, bill. >> bill: jen, thank you. ba...

What they need now are the air defenses. that's what the leaders called upon us to give them. they need the drones that are lethal. you know, they need air defenses. the migs should have been brought in a long time ago. the plan was to have the pilots evacuate, go to poland and fly in to the ukraine. that didn't happen. finally, they need surface to air missiles because the next wave will be coming from the air. in fact, that maternity hospital was taken out by the russian air force. these are crimes against humanity. they violate the geneva convention. >> bill: the drones are from turkey. the...

To have ukrainian pilots go in to poland and fly them in to the ukraine. the administration is divided whether this is a smart idea. president zelensky has asked for this. i think he's earned it. i think we should honor his request and get the migs in country so they can go to the convoy and destroy it before the convoy comes to kyiv. >> bill: it would appear that someone is afraid of something. who is it? >> provocation. there's some -- the dod and state department have differences on this. i think provocation is one of the concerns that somehow that that will trigger a worldwide conflict. i ...

Now, look, sovereign nations can decide for themselves what they want to do. but this idea, the proposal of transferring the jets to our custody and transferring to ukraine, that is something that we are not going to explore right now. jen? >> are you talking about providing s-300 missile defense systems? >> i would rather stay away from the actual systems themselves. we're going to continue to look at a broad swath of capabilities that the ukrainians could use effectively. some of them they already are and maybe they need replacements. >> is the difference in providing javelins and stingers t...