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An effective deterrent? >> only time will tell, right? ultimately there's about a million people in the united states who have gone through immigration courts and have been found that they don't have standing to be here in the united states. right? and so those are allegedly the folks that are going to be targeted. what i would like to see, those resources within i.c.e. to be used at the border. there are a number of people that have recently come in that could ultimately be deported. the bigger effect would be to address the people that have come most recently and not folks that have probably...

Who is not. what the president is doing is bringing the power of the federal government in terms of different databases they have to figure out the people counting the senses, who is a citizen, who is here legally, who is here illegally so the objective is to get a complete and accurate census, to use that for things like deploying ice resources. the goal is to have the most accurate picture of the population which is what the constitution requires under the enumeration law. heather: how do you do that if the citizenship question is not on the census? >> they will get identifying information f...