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Decline. i love keystone but it has nothing to do with the price of oil. >> let me take it to steve forbes. to the point, getting back again to energy independence, i feel like we're in this post bubble that only the government can fix everything. that the economy still in the protective custody of the administration. where's the executive order for keystone. >> he doesn't decide to do it because he doesn't really want it and even if he approves keystone, he'll find ways to put obstacles in the way so this thing drags out and drags out and in terms, yes, trouble in the middle east has spiked o...

This kind of virtuous circle for itself, in which its projection of power equalled real power. and the real power fed the perception of its power. and now that's been punctured. it really has. people wake up in the morning and there's stilt members of congress and it's not the on slaugt they thought. and tha is a huge change in the politics of the issue. >> when you look at the president as proposed, universal background checks, stricter penalties for gun trafficking, how much of that is realistically possible? >> i think at this moment, we've seen real bipartisan support for background checks...

Church and the vatican is disconnected from the day-to-day reality on the ground on many fronts, but that's how you explain the shift. even within ten years, that's significant. >> you point to something which is interesting, the accelerating nature of it. it's in the midst of a virtuous circle. from our perspective, i don't know from michael's. but that the increased experience with, with people that are of the same sex and are married, or in committed relationships, the increased support produces a policy environment. >> and it's also true that the gay rights movement i think is in a lot of ...

What's happening in washington right now, that we can start building up the rest of the country and do you see that happening? you heard what ben bernanke said. is that sort of your perspective on it? >> this is a nike swooch. the reality is america has overspent for 25 years. and two years ago, you know, we had a almost a fatal accident, you know, a near miss. many businesses almost went out of business. as a ceo, you're going to be cautious and -- >> but you know, gary, what a lot of people are saying, whether they're out of work or not, these big corporations are sitting on record amounts o...