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In yemen, there have been terrorist attacks planned against the united states. so the u.s. is really hoping that this transition in yemen, that it's finally come around to the fact that president sala looks like he is going to go. they want to see if they can manage it so that counter-terrorism cooperation doesn't get interrupted. >> so it sounds like the u.s. is really complicated here about what to address first. does it also have something to do with the u.s. waiting to see what other country might take the lead? >> well, i think everyone always looks to the united states to lead, and we've...

Right now? >> i think there is different levels of concern for different reasons. libya, there are u.s. troops involved, so they're concerned about the military and they're also concerned about the lives facing muammar gadhafi. but as we heard, even from secretary gates, libya is not vital to the united states, and some say as libya goes, so does libya. these other issues like syria and yemen, far more u.s. security interests. you've heard the response about getting rid of president asad, whether they should say it's time for him to go, that's because they're very scared of what comes after hi...

Thing survive is to put pressure on tripoli. the military commanders in tripoli supporting gadhafi should be pounded. i would not let the u.n. mandate stop what is the right thing to do. >> i think every time we pull back, it says to gadhafi that he can tough this out, and i want him to feel that we're just going to squeeze and squeeze until he decides it's time to go, because that's the only end that will be meaningful here. >> all right, so it's not just libya. take a look right here. syria and yemen all on the map of concern here and vying for international attention. right now there is ple...

To go into libya, and they think it's healthy for the europeans to see what it's like to lead. the u.s. is leading in iraq, the u.s. is leading in afghanistan, and the rest of the world knows if they're not going to pick up the slack, the u.s. is going to do it. the u.s. is saying, okay, you try to see what it's like to be a leader. >> so does this say something about the u.s.'s white house strategy on foreign policy, or is this really a result of a ripple effect? you have problems in one country in this region and it ripple to see its neighbor? >> they're trying to deal with so many issues, f...

But the story is much, much bigger. what we think, anderson, is that international community's reaction towards what's happening in libya has not been very honest and transparent. the security council, for example, anderson, based its agreement against libya on reports without -- anderson, you have to look at this very carefully, without any fact finding mission, without visiting libya, without allowing libya to defend itself in the u.n., and the guy who is supposed to be the lawyer of libya was going against his own country. >> they've defected. they've left your side. sir, the reason i bring...