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Future run for president? >> i don't know how much of it ties into a future run for president. i think they want to try to muddy this investigation to the extent that the trump folks expect that january 6th is going to factor into democrats calculations for '22 and beyond. that is a piece of it. but look, i think you can't unde underestimate this. he has a ton of money sitting in his political committees. this is costing him personally nothing. he doesn't mind going ahead with this and he likes to delay and try to do everything on his own terms and he has treated congress, he did throughout hi...

You and bob reported, he also listened to his life. >> such an amazing man. bob, give us some thoughts. what goes through your mind as you know, this morning around 8:00 p.m., we always heard the sad news. i had no idea he was as sick as he was. but it just vjolted me and i'm sure it did you as well. s >> three months ago when we talked, as we know from the aut audio tape of this, he was optimistic. don't feel sorry for me. don't worry about me. i've had a good life. but when you listen to it carefully for its 42 minutes, there's a tone of farewell. there's a tone of this is the last time we a...

And he rose to the highest ranks not only in the military, but also areas of foreign policy and state craft. >> from powell's heritage to his storied military career before becoming a public servant, he paved the way for so many. like secretary of defense. >> the world lost one of the greatest leaders that we have ever witnessed. alma lost a great husband and the family lost a tremendous father. i lost a tremendous personal friend and mentor. >> reflecting on his career, powell told wolf blitzer that making the case that iraq had weapons of mass destruction was one of his biggest mistakes. >> ...

Who had been massacred. you had this trump ally who was going after, planting pipe bombs and also these immigrants coming from central america being called invaders, an infestation, from our former president. he was not shy in any way. very outspoken about the pride that he had that his parents came from jamaica and they were the product, one, a teacher, one, a soldier. >> that's why he wanted to give back to his country. he was so proud of being the son of immigrants. ha having given his family a new opportunity. a powerful message he would often give to young people. general, how challenging...

The reluctant voier theme, but it even goes further. he doesn't want to seem more glorified because in war, people die and he, that theme does not go away in the conversation then or the conversations going back to the gulf war in 1991. of all things. when he was on the newsweek cover. the reluctant warrior. the execerpts of my book. commanders, that's may of 1991. he always would say, am i the reluctant warrior? guilty. guilty. because war has all of that uglyness that we as human beings and as soldiers want to avoid. >> served in vietnam.