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Volume. and despite our best volume projections, we underestimated the volume, the interest in the site. >> you noted the volume isn't the same as the applicants and the enrollment. that you yourself visited the site. clearly you weren't shopping for it, others did as well. so to the chairman's point, the number of applicants, the number of enrollees still not known is pretty modest, wouldn't you agree? >> but i would tell you that the number of visitors to the site and the number of people interested in completing applications was larger than even our initial projections. we worked our projec...

Volume. and despite our best volume projections, we underestimated the volume of the interest in the site. >> you noted the volume isn't the same as the applicants and the enrollment. you yourself visit the site. clearly you weren't shopping for it. others did as well. so chairman camp's point, the number of applicants and enroll lees still not known is pretty modest, wouldn't you agree? >> i will tell you that the number of visitors and the number of people interested in completing applications was larger than our initial projections. and we worked those off of the 7 million number that chair...

American public and to congress that everything would be ready on time, everything was a go. none of that proved to be true. now we're told everything will be okay very soon. so why should the american people believe you now? >> congressman brady, i would go back to what has worked in the three and a half years since the affordable care act was implemented. we have been able to make a difference in the lives of coverage of young people. we've been able -- >> but specifically on the web site and the exchanges. why should the american people believe you now? you've had nearly four years to get i...