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We would be on the moon right now if it was not for political unrest. we would be on mars right now. >> mike: what about that, ben? >> i think there is truth to that. we have been less ambitious about the moon, the planets in the solar system. private industry is what will take us there at this point giving lack of ambition on the governmental level and moving forward. i wish it were different, but i think that is the way it works. >> mike: one analysis today said the national sense of urgency is simply missing but instead nasa the winds of lawmakers who prioritize and implement in their distr...

Political risk. we would be on the moon right now if it was not for political unrest. we would be on mars right now. >> mike: what about that, ben? >> i think there is truth to that. we have been less ambitious about the moon, the planets in the solar system. private industry is what will take us there at this point giving lack of ambition on the governmental level and moving forward. i wish it were different, but i think that is the way it works. >> mike: one analysis today said the national sense of urgency is simply missing but instead nasa the winds of lawmakers who prioritize and implemen...

Born, that tells your sex. >> that is the lead -- >> look, look, listen. this is what happens when people can't defend their position. they begin attacking the opposition. the reality is, we base law and policy on fact. on science. on biology. not subjective feeling what the trump administration is doing here is re-establishing what was in place for probably 50 years through the 1964 and 72 nondiscrimination acts where sex is based on biology. >> we learn more as time goes on. this administration cares about science, they should talk to the people that study this for a living. look at organiza...

Isn't that scientific? >> look, look, listen. this is what happens when people can't defend their position. they begin attacking the opposition. the reality is, we base law and policy on fact. on science. on biology. not subjective feeling. what the trump administration is doing here is re-establishing what was in place for probably 50 years through the 1964 and '72 nondiscrimination acts where sex is based on biology. >> we learn more as time goes on. this administration cares about science, they should talk to the people that study this for a living. look at organizations -- >> if that is tr...

Which he says a lot but we never know who they are. but the other side of it is whether it's the intel community or it's scientists at noaa, he often rejects whatever the not just commonly held belief but proven beliefs are on any given topic and makes no apologies for it. >> well, it's a very familiar troep and we've heard this before from people on the far right who deny climate change. what he did there with lesley stahl is try to have it both ways. i don't have to do anything about it because it's not man mad. he's making excuses not to -- >> but how? i'm, like, well, okay, maybe, but how?...