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Down, it's not going to work. >> here's the problem it creates. unless you have a great depression like when hoover left office or in the 1960s when they could really run up the vote, you're never going to have a truly governing majority in the congress. therefore, nothing is ever going to get done under the 60-senate vote rule. jean? >> or you need a situation like in 1996 when president clinton wanted to rack up some wins and republicans in congress had given up on bob dole as a presidential candidate and then you saw big pieces of legislation pass and you have the limited windows where it's...

If you want to filibuster, you can't say 60 vote rule, too bad. can't vote on that. you actually have to go down and hold the floor and talk and talk and talk and talk all night and for days and for weeks. you need to work for it. there is merit to this idea. it would make filibusters harder on the minority. it would make them more transparent to the public. it would make them less likely on popular bills, but it wouldn't reverse the transformation of the senate into a place where 60 votes required to get anything done. so there is a proposal that personally i like better. frankly, it's kind o...