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Thing. jimmy, how is the economy? >> amazing, sir. in the word of our new national anthem, it's huge! i have no idea how you did it, sir. >> well, you know what? i don't have to get specific. with me, it just works, you know? it's just magic. >> obviously, trump in on the joke here but he says it's just magic, doesn't have to get to specifics. that has been a knock on him throughout this campaign, though. no specifics. >> that's exactly right. look. look. we are still in the shopping phase of this presidential campaign, even in iowa and new hampshire, the first states where voters are going to...

Been talking about this for a couple of decades now. every couple of years there's some reform and then a supreme court decision comes along or a new way to skirt the rules and we're back to the races with money having outside influence. it seems to me that until there's enough of a scandal or enough of a persistent wheel of corruption that is accepted by 60%, 7 0% 80% of the public and they care about it things won't change. because, you know, you can poll this again and again and again and everyone thinks the system is corrupt. but they don't make voting decisions based on this. they don't g...

It seems to me that until there's enough of a scandal or enough of a persistent wheel of corruption that is accepted by 60%, 7 0%, 80% of the public and they care about it, things won't change. because, you know, you can poll this again and again and again and everyone thinks the system is corrupt. but they don't make voting decisions based on this. they don't give money to public interest groups and so on to fight the stuff. the public kind of accepts this. you know, unfortunately, and there can be a great cristoff column, a great piece this the magazine, professor sacks can come one a great ...

He says i know his beliefs when he ran one of his commercials he said i need your prayers. i asked, when did you get religious? he said when i needed votes. he broke out the religious card. he is about the most nonreligious person i know. e.j., another component of this. running on religion. itch voters are going to make voting decisions based on religious claims by guys like this, they are simply begging to be lied to. you know, talking. i think both of us have known politicians who are genuinely religious. some occasionally talk about it. some don't talk about it at all. and i think that wha...

University of virginia center for politics. all right, larry, we didn't hear directly from gingrich about the perry endorsement there. obviously he is pleased. obviously he has at a preplan the event that came before this perry endorsement came through but what does it do for gingrich's campaign? >> well, this is of course just a couple of days before the voting saturday and i'm sure he is very pleased because this adds to what was already occurring. some key indicators were moving in his direction. he has to continue momentum tonight at the debate there. well, what is the history? he has done...