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Hispanic, and then what are the margins going to be inside those voting groups? and ohio's been defying gravity for the president. he's been overperforming with white men because of the auto bailout. he's been -- but as you've seen romney make gains in these national polls, all of his gains have come in key aspects of white working-class part of the electorate. and the last place that he's still trying to pick up that part when you go state by state is ohio. but ohio's been catching up to the national number, and i think that that's what you've seen a little bit. >> and reverend, that's what w...

Clinton the job of trying to dismantle mitt romney. let other people do that. and you, barack obama, try to be the guy that you were four years ago, updated, wiser, stronger, more sophisticated than you were. >> i think the best way we agree the best way for him to stay in as starting pitcher and not get relieved, to use world series terminology, is to strike out the side. do the job of a pitcher and nobody's going to relieve you. thank you howard and john. in a strange way, had you a good point to make. obama has to sell the future. we all agree on that. coming up, president obama won the b...

The ruling class. go at him like harry truman, like a son of a "b." whatever. can he choose between those three or keep dividing up his time, money and attention between all three approaches? >> that's a profound, fact cal question, chris. i'm tempted to say he has to do all three, but if i had to pick one, i would at this point pick the upbeat message. as i understand it, the loose change out there, the undecided voters, in places like colorado and ohio and virginia and so on, are women. suburban women, working women. i think they want more of a positive message. they want a unifying message....

Optimism and strength the way he did four years ago, i think that's his best way to go. let others carry the attack. let bill clinton -- give bill clinton the job of trying to dismantle mitt romney. let other people do that. and you, barack obama, try to be the guy that you were four years ago, updated, wiser, stronger, more sophisticated than you were. >> i think the best way we agree the best way for him to stay in as starting pitcher and not get relieved, to use world series terminology, is to strike out the side. do the job of a pitcher and nobody's going to relieve you. thank you howard a...

Lot of trouble with. these are people who aren't necessarily able to vote for him this time around. he has made improvements with other voting groups including latinos where he's actually doing better with latinos according to the september nbc/"wall street journal" polls than he did against john mccain in 2008. that doesn't make up all the difference. it helps to try to get to 50% and particularly 50% in those important swing states. >> let's talk about from the demos to this midwest firewall. i mean, in a state like ohio, i don't know, for example, the ethnic backgrounds of most of the voter...