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That's an instant check. now, both require a government-issued photo i.d., such as a driver's license, as you can see in this column here. the cost, $10 for a photo i.d. it's $5 to register for a gun. now i'll give you the example of florida. another key battleground state, similar to pennsylvania, you need to register about a month wildfire the all vote day. gun permits are issued after an instant background check. now, a government photo i.d. is required for both. that's also similar. the cost of a photo i.d. is $25 in florida. it's $8 for a gun permit. so let's bring in former pennsylvania ...

They may be -- they may not have a car, but are you telling me, governor, that the democratic party and their operatives or the campaigns in philadelphia will not go and pick up an elderly lady and take her to the registration place to get her a photo i.d. so she can vote? and this isn't about politics. and the governor is right. hold on. it is about politics, the governor is right. the only reason to not require a photo i.d. -- and by the way, why don't you go after the libraries too. they require a photo i.d. is because the democrats want to cover up fraud. that's the only reason that you wo...

>> well, apparently they don't have bank accounts either. >> they don't fly. >> rick, i want to bring up another statistic. we showed it on screen a little bit earlier. it's from the brennan center and shows more than 21 million americans don't have government-issued photo i.d. and as you look at the list here, minorities top the list. a quarter of all african-americans don't have photo i.d.s to, 20% for asians, and that works its way on down. what's your thought about the perception of what voter i.d. drives then and these laws that have been signed and what the perception might be. >> people...

For the rest of our lives about the pennsylvania voting i.d. requirement. suppose the election turns on one state like it did in ohio in 2004 and it's because of some new voter i.d. law that made it impossible for older people to get to the polls? what are we at then? >> it's entirely possible and also impossible that it will be some intervening event, like war with iran or something. sometimes, there's a cumulative drip, drip, drip. one of the things people were saying about the polls, that the obama attacks on bain weren't changing the race. it's really too soon to say what the cumulative ef...

Darrell issa against attorney general eric holder. last week, issa threatened holder with a contempt of congress vote, saying the attorney general is refusing to hand over documents. the two are meeting this afternoon at 5:00 p.m. while the contempt hearing is still scheduled for tomorrow. really interesting back and forth over eric holder, who is a man, we talk about the catbird seat, he is the man, sort of the face of a lot of controversial positions the administration has taken. whether that's arizona immigration, whether that's voting i.d. laws, whether that is the fast and furious program...