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So good to see you. i listen to you every morning. >> thank you so much. >> glad to see you. how significant is abrams' announcement that she is running for governor again? >> how significant? i'll tell you, everybody has been on pins and needles these past few months waiting for this announcement and the democratic party especially, because what is the plan b if she doesn't announce. well, december 1st she made it clear and what did that announcement do? once again, it launched georgia into the national spotlight. when she launched her campaign, she once again tapped into -- you know, she was...

And beyond. >> yeah, i don't want to make it seem like this is just a washout. i think that's part of the media narrative. fernand, there were historical elections. michelle wu, boston's first woman and asian-american mayor. ed gainey was the first black mayor there, there were some sweeping victories and i think there is some danger in getting caught up in democrats need to be so concerned. i think democrats need to be concerned about voting rites but there were small victories last night and i don't think they should get overlooked. your thought on the good part, good narrative that happened...

Wait. protesters held a giant voting rights now sign in a banner that read in all caps, president biden, no more excuses, voting rites now. the protest was organized by the league of women voters of the united states, people for the american way and congress to act on voting rights now. five peaceful protesters were arrested today being held in jail. joining me is the ceo of women league voters. thank you for being with us this evening. i understand that there are still people being held in jail tonight because of being arrested at this rally. >> yes, some of our colleagues, ben who is the ceo...

That's one of the challenges at home for us making the case to the world for democracy and voting rights and free and fair elections we agree to abide by. that's the challenge. republicans are not sure they're on board with democracy in that way anymore. but on the other side, the challenge is whether democrats are going to be able to do anything about it. whether democrats are going to be able to get something done in this part of governing. whether they can actually do something, effectuate something, deliver reforms to protect democracy against internal threats, reforms to protect democracy...

That want to fight and protect voting rights because they need that not to be interfered with in their plans for this midterm election, karen. >> i think that's exactly right. i agree with you. the vitrol to eric holder goes back to his time in the clinton administration for similar reasons. he is such a staunch defender of civil rights and essentially one of the few people standing between a complete collapse of our voting rites and what the republican agenda would do in terms of what we've seen all across this country. i think ear right and there's something personal to it. let's not forget ...