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That missile that brought down that commercial airline. >> how long would it take if oliver north needed to train somebody on how to use one of these, how long would it take? >> well, the training manual the russians have say for proficiency two years of training to become a noncommission officer operating that particular system on the buk missile system with an sa-11 or sa-20 even more training. so you're talking years, not weeks. certainly not days. >> and does that tell you anything? does that tell you it was likely a russian operating it? or simply that the russians have been helping these...

Purportedly showing a russian-made missile system moving in just two hours before mh-17 was downed. they claim this shows the same missile launcher being hurriedly taken away today, crucially two of its four missiles are missing. >> united states today made it clear a separatist did have a missile launcher, they likely could no have operated it alone. >> because of the technical complexity of the sa-11, it is unlikely that the separatists could effectively operate the system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel. >> it's strange krid duality to think it could be used by separatists w...

That missile that brought down that commercial airline. >> how long would it take if oliver north needed to train somebody on how to use one of these, how long would it take? >> well, the training manual the russians have say for proficiency two years of training to become a noncommission officer operating that particular system on the buk missile system with an sa-11 or sa-20 even more training. so you're talking years, not weeks. certainly not days. >> and does that tell you anything? does that tell you it was likely a russian operating it? or simply that the russians have been helping these...

Has been discussed in the last several days. it was cruising at 33,000 feet, according to do what we know right now. do military aircraft normally fly at that height or lower? >> well, you know, i thought jim miklaszewski's report was extremely comprehensive. adequate asheersurance that it a launch from inside that region, it was an sa-11. this is a colossal incompetent mistake, but to understand how it could have occurred, this is an area of ongoing air combat. the ukrainian government is bombing on a daily basis. they've lost three aircraft in the last few days.

Mcginnis and david zusi. what's your opinion about what happened here? >> well, victor, with sa-11 undisputably within the hands of the separatists and they're out of control of russian and ukrainian air defense capabilities and monitoring radar. and, of course, over the last week, we've had at least three downings of aircraft by separatists, according to the president's statement yesterday, that it would appear as if this was mistakenly identified, the flight 17 by separatists and therefore, engaged. and certainly within the capability of a surface-to-air missile 11 by separatists who probabl...