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Disincentivized to budge because they are not going to fund a wall. nancy pelosi was very clear on this. i think we are farther away than we have been up and to this point, and you know, we can have working groups and stuff. it's up to donald trump. if donald trump does not commit to a deal, it's not going to happen. you can have as many meetings as you want. >> michael, donald trump always wants his cake and eat it too, can he le open the government and keep his wall fight going? >> i don't know. he is pursuing a base strategy in all this, but his own party has some divisions. i think democra...

Investigation reveals more information that requires that people take action. >> is there any part of you that says, look, at some point we have to reopen the government no matter what we have to do here, that you have to give him something? at what point do you feel as if -- is there ever a pressure point in your mind that you're like let's give him something to get out of this, we've got to reopen the government? >> it all depends on what you mean by something. no one's going to give him $5 billion for an unnecessary and ineffective wall because in addition to the 5 billion this year, the sa...

On the one hand there was trump digging in moments after democratic leaders spoke. >> so we told the president we needed the government open. he resisted. in fact, he said he'd keep the government closed for a very long period of time, months or even years. >> i did say that, absolutely i said that. i don't think it will, but i am prepared and i think i can speak for republicans in the house and republicans in the senate, they feel very strongly about having a safe country, having a border that makes sense. without borders i've said it many times, we don't have a country. >> so there was that,...

Negotiated process, we're giving that a shot. >> so is that a threat hanging over the democrats? >> i never threaten anybody. but i am allowed to do that. >> to be clear, the president says he's willing to keep the government partially shut down for years if congress doesn't fund his wall. at at the same time, he claims he doesn't need the funds, and he doesn't need congress. we're going to try to solve that riddle in a few minutes, which brings us to the version of president trump we also saw today, who seemed as if he was looking for an off ramp or at least a cease fire. he also said he's co...

Of 1.3 billion that was provided last year. if he said i'll take the 1.6, would that be -- and i know that you guys have taken that off the table, at that point, though, would you be like, fine, let's get out of this thing? >> look, we were very clear, the 1.6 the way it was written also had language saying it's not for a wall. if the president's talking about border security money, we've already provided it. we're happy to have a conversation about border security. he just needs to stop deluding his followers and the country about this idea of a 2,000 mile wall. >> senator chris van hol llen ...