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And the refugee camps of pakistan, you know what it means to go without health care at all, but still, as a doctor in the uk right now, you would use the word crisis, would you ? i would. i wouldn't compare it to afghanistan. it to low resourced countries but that's why i compared it to how i train, when i trained to five years back. it is in crisis when we compare it to that. it's a beautiful health care system. it's built by diversity. it's built by a compassion to give health care to everybody. and the only way to sustain it is actually to face the crisis face on and to see where the proble...

Is waheed arian, who fled war in afghanistan as a child, made it to the uk and is now a doctor running his own medical charity. his is an extraordinary story. what should we all take from it? waheed arian, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much, stephen, for inviting me and for having me here. it's a real pleasure to have you on the show. ijust wonder, how much distance do you feel today

He's also told the uk media that he never intended to hurt his family by writing a memoir. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. war and extreme poverty drive millions of people from their homes every year. some of those desperate people try to reach the rich western world where such inward migration routinely prompts fear and draconian countermeasures. do perceptions change when the story of migration is personalised? well, my guest today is waheed arian, who fled war in afghanistan as a child, made it to the uk and is now a doctor running his own medical ch...

We all take from it? waheed arian, welcome to hardtalk. thank you very much, stephen, for inviting me and for having me here. it's a real pleasure to have you on the show. ijust wonder, how much distance do you feel today as a distinguished doctor in the united kingdom, how much distance do you feel from your childhood and from your homeland, afghanistan? my family is still in afghanistan. my father, my sisters, five, six sisters are in afghanistan.

The crisis face on and to see where the problems lie and to solve them one by one. and anywhere in the world, whether it's health care, whether it's education, refugees and migrants play a huge role. and the only way to look at refugees and migrants is to see them as dreamers like myself. dr waheed arian, thank you very much forjoining me on hardtalk. thank you. thank you so much for having me. it's been a real pleasure. hello. after a rather wet and windy first week of january 2023, we're heading into the second week on a similar note.