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Deescalation, so they could back down without backing down. i don't know if that's true, but they are masters and boast about it in their literature saying we're going to yell at you, but at the same time, give you a back door to stay safe. -- save face. >> tucker: every bit as scary as it looks. michael, thank you for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: up next, nordstrom's, selling jeans for $425, to look muddy and faded. so you can look rugged without going outside. mike rowe will explain why we're so hostile to breaking a sweat in this country. caitlyn jenner will join us to talk about her...

Or you wouldn't have done it. isn't there a lot of pressure, though, on you, specifically to be a one-issue voter? how do you deal with that? >> i totally agree with you. a lot in the community are, and they were upset that i, you know, i was a republican, and i said at the republican national convention, i said it was harder to come out as trans than it was to come out a member of the republican party. and so, yeah, it has been tough. but we have tremendous issues in our community. i talk a lot about it in the book. we have a murder rate that's out of control right now, already this year, we'...

Any sane person knows that's not true. another one is they teach byhe what is called the case method. and i think there is an amoral underbelly to that. they're taught there is no one right answer to any business section. there is only well articulated or less well articulated answers. that can lead you right down the slippery slope into justifying any decision you want. >> tucker: that's for sure. now, you went to wharton business school, basically the main rival to harvard. you're not against all business schools, but you argue that the distribution of wealth in our country where an ever sma...

Starting to make inroads in the industry. i had $15,000 in the bank. i quit my job. r entirely left it behind, because my pursuit was to back pack around the world for a year. and so i took off for what was third world travel. this wasn't like the four seasons where your friends hang out. this was china, indonesia, vietnam, nepal, india, the middle east, russia. i did it, because i felt i could not go further in my own life, unless i truly understood what it was like to be out there. and that's -- i would suggest to you that's the reason why i know people like you, tucker. i >> tucker: to see ...

He was saying you'll go to court, you'll be innocent, i know you're innocent and you'll go home. after three months he said i don't know if you're going to court, if you do, it may not be good, you may be here for a very long time. >> josh, everyone here was in solitary. one of the questions i have is, as sarah describes, the mind atrophies at a certain point. you know, practically what did you do to retain some sort of mental wherewithal to survive? >> i went through every year of my life, thinking about every memory i could come up with. i juggled oranges. i counted every mark on the wall, s...