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We know these characters. mark -- >> but donny -- >> if you're waiting for this magic moment to happen, particularly with 93% of the people seeing it exactly the way they want to see it at that point, i think you guys are whistling dixie. >> donny, that's exactly what they said in 2000. everybody said we know bush, we know gore, and nothing dramatic's going to happen. it shifted the race three points in a tight race, and suddenly bush was ahead. >> that's just it. and people will be watching those debates who aren't focused on the guys now. it's not that they're going to see something new. it'...

What happened. i remember howard dean, all he won on super tuesday, i think, was vermont. and he kept trying to say, i'm going to go to wisconsin. it's tough, i think. if that's all you're doing in your home state and it's not even that decisive, i know he wants to go to alabama and mississippi, it's just one week later. i don't think there's anything that keeps him out from going one week later because of those two states. but i think it's hard. if he's third in oklahoma, third in tennessee and he's under 50% in georgia, what's the path? >> and then does the pressure start to come from somewh...

There is a consequence for kirsten gillibrand. bill clinton bill clinton is immensely popular. not only generally but inside the democratic party. very popular. i think his power and the power of hilly hillary clinton is wa. i don't know what this means for kirsten gillibrand's future here in new york. >> greg: i disagree. when you say her future is up and the clinton dynasty is a walking corpse. >> kimberly: that's on purpose. i think the intention is to say enough is enough of these folks and we've got to move forward with the party and unless we address the skeletons, the clinton skeletons ...