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Because any one member can hold the entire institution hostage by filibustering. and that could take days longer. and so it could very well be that we get past that june 5th deadline. >> yeah, exactly. there are elements of the gop who are fiercely hardline. want to blow things up. how at risk is mccarthy if they're angry, given the deal he cut, to get the speakership, changing the rules so it only takes one member to force a vote for the speakership? how much pressure is he under from his hard right? >> this is his first big test. can he limit defections from his own party? can he quell the r...

Reality? >> oh, i think van is exactly right. van and i don't agree on everything, we've got a lot of conversations where we do agree. but he sometimes, i think, where i am. and that is having conversations where you're trying to talk across party lines or talk across ideological lines, you know, i'll just be candid. sometimes you feel like you're walking on eggshells. because you don't know what you're gonna say that could totally derail a meeting, or totally derail what is otherwise something that's going in a positive direction. i know people in corporate settings feel that way, you're talk...

Direction that might be contrary to what they're stated interests have been, because they're trying to get away from the feeling of walking on eggshells. you write also about a recent tweet, this is really interesting, from the associated press style book, by the way. it says, we recommend avoiding general and often dehumanizing labels such as -- french, the disabled, the college educated. the french one stands out, obviously, as odd in and of itself. they ended up deleting this tweet. i wonder, what do you see was the goal in the first place of this style book? section? >> i mean, i think the...

Tread. and they resent it. that makes it more likely to vote against economic interests and vote for somebody like governor desantis. comieing at this from a liberal our efforts to be inclusive have been counterproductive. >> is there a way to course correct? i know on one of the examples you write in this about the -- you talk about being a gift to say a governor ron desantis, the idea that people want to go in a direction that might be contrary to what the stated interests have been because they want to get away from the feeling of walking on eggshells. you write about a recent tweet, very i...

Nobody just set, hey, hey, this and this, and he might have said, okay, i get it. you're just gone. people are just very tired of walking on eggshells in this country. that's something democrats are also fighting in this election. people don't like it. this is also part of why elon musk taking over twitter is just such an enormous controversy with so many people. 99% of twitter employees voted democratic. even if you're a democrat, you shouldn't think that's a good thing, to have a major what really is a news organization, because people get their news from there. but the entire organization t...