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For being here. john kelly telling the times no wall. the president often says wall or barrier or fencing and now steel slats but we left a solid concrete wall early on in the administration. that's what john kelly, outgoing chief of staff, has just told the l.a. times. it is not a wall. it has this ever-changing definition. it's certainly not a concrete wa wall. and then you heard, alice, the president just say he has never abandoned a wall. just for fun, can i just play the president in his own words trying to describe what the wall concept is? because he, too, has had -- seemed to have a ha...

And this two days after a bipartisan, you know, panel came up with and agreed on mcconnell's plan to keep government open until february 8th, but then the president changed his mind, acquiesced to pressure from conservative lawmakers and commentators, and schumer said if you want to keep the government open, you've got to abandon this whole wall concept. >> right, so it's okay for chuck schumer to put an absolute line in the sand, but it's not okay for the president to try to actually fulfill a campaign promise. >> but the president had -- >> that was voted on by the american people. >> the pr...

Fly over on airplanes and overstay visas. let's talk about ways to deal with this in a smart way, this is not effective and mexico is not paying for it. the taxpayers of america are paying for it, that's not fair. >> shannon: regardless of who pays, what would you agree to on the border? >> there's probably some room for repairing certain barriers, talking about fencing in certain areas but this type of wall concept is not going anywhere. let's hash out a deal to enhance border security, let's get the government funded right now. 54,000 department of homeland security customs and border patrol...

Overstay visas. let's talk about ways to deal with this in a smart way, thisay is not effective and mexico is not paying for it. the taxpayers of america are paying for it, that's not fair. >> shannon: regardless of who pays, what would you agree to on the border? >> there's probably some room for repairing certain barriers, talking about fencing in certain areas but this type of wall concept is not going anywhere. let's hash out a deal to enhance border security, let's get thenh government funded right now. 54,000 department of homeland security customs and border patrol agents are not going ...

Overstay visas. let's talk about ways to deal with this in a smart way, this is not effective and mexico is not paying for it. the taxpayers of america are paying for it, that's not fair. >> shannon: regardless of who pays, what would you agree to on the border? >> there's probably some room for repairing certain barriers, talking about fencing in certain areas but this type of wall concept is not going anywhere. let's hash out a deal to enhance border security, let's get the government funded right now. 54,000 department of homeland security customs and border patrol agents are not going to b...