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Television, show, don't tell. right? it's nice that you got all the things done on paper nice you you have all these things that you can can talk to people about, but a wall is a visual reminder. we put him in office to do big things. will look at this big thing he did. it's a testament in the person i believed in and voted for and going to shake up washington. i do not see how donald trump will let this go. because it is a signature achievement he can point to and say, see what i did? i think for a president who we know was kind of raised on broadcasting, that's how he made it to this point, ...

Know was kind of raised on broadcasting, that's how he made it to this point, i don't see a, how he lets the wall go. or b, how a democrat who can challenge him can challenge him without saying vote for me because i can beat the snot out of donald trump and we're going to march him down pennsylvania avenue. i feel like the next two years, regardless who have runs the house and senate is going to be very much about the optics of 2020. what are you going to see at the end of 2020 that will make you feel like you spent your time well or wasted your time? >> the number one promise that donald trum...

Pelosi. pressure to do it and prove nancy pelosi wrong and put it on the senate and say it's all on chuck schumer if they don't get it to the senate there are problems. there are 82 separate cases of people who own land where the wall would go who are suing to not let the wall go there. they were suing president bush to stop the building of the wall. president is going to start building a brand new wall. the rest has been replaced. that was going to start in february with last year's money. as soon as it starts. i think he is going to need a lot of money. right now he hasn't been able to spend...

The military budget $700 million. there's a caveat you can only build old military options. doesn't work. basically the fence wears out in 30 years, best-case scenario. i've got places where it rusted in basically 10 years. our point is, i believe -- >> what about the point that some people said that if you build a wall, we'll build a tunnel. there's intelligence to be able to detect a tunnel. what do we do then? how far down into the ground does the wall go? >> it goes six feet. we have ways where you cover up with the spread footing where our footings work, you can track tunnels to two or th...

Question is where does the wall go? who pays for the wall? i have the solution. go dutch. with the mexicans, go dutch. why don't we split that? what is the big deal? split it, make it a monument to friendship. why do we have to make it such an evil thing. say that this is such a historical agreement between two countries. good fences make good neighbors, that is a universal thing. >> harris: that is not what he said he would do, though. >> meghan: obviously the wall is the tenet of donald trump's campaign promises, the tenant of how he got elected. if he doesn't end up building this wall there...