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Look for other ways potentially to pay for it. and also she said, you call it a wall but it's wall plus. it could also be surveillance and other things. so the definition of the wall seems to be shifting somewhat, as is how the wall would be paid for, because that $5 billion is not in this spending bill. and it doesn't get easier with a democratic house. >> do you have any inside knowledge of what an indirect payment is? >> so i've been trying to divine this and i haven't quite figured it out. as far as i can tell, what the president is trying to say in his tweet, and sarah sanders was asked a...

Building that -- now, she wouldn't say precisely whether he's planning to sign it or not. but let's assume that he does. the case she was building is that he's not going to give up, he's going to continue fighting for the wall and he's going to look for other ways potentially to pay for it. and also she says you call it a wall but it's wall plus. it could also be surveillance and other things. so the definition of the wall seems to be shifting somewhat, as is how the wall would be paid for. because that $5 billion is not in this spending bill. and it doesn't get easier with a democratic house....

All this? will the president's signature on a continuing resolution mean he has dropped his demand for the 5 billion? >> so i talked to kellyanne conway today, the counselor to the president. and she was building this sort of interesting case that the president also seems to be building that -- now, she wouldn't say precisely whether he's planning to sign it or not. but let's assume that he does. the case she was building is that he's not going to give up, he's going to continue fighting for the wall and he's going to look for other ways potentially to pay for it. and also she says you call it...

Asylum so that it's the same right now if you wait in line or if you jump the fence, you wind up being better off if you enter illegally. look at that. can we change the laws so we can keep families together? can you get us more judges to process the facilities of the flow you've made more accountable. not one of these questions has been considered. not one of them. so if you just do a wallow over >> i'll do you one better on it, chris. if you talk to anybody who builds things, cleans things or grows things in this country, they are also screaming for immigration reform because of labor issues...

If you jump the fence, you wind up being better off if you enter illegally. can you change the laws so we kep famili keep families together? can you get us more judges to process the facilities of the flow you've made more accountable -- >> i'll do you one better on it, chris. if you talk to anybody who builds things, cleanse things or grows things in this country, they are also screaming for immigration reform because of labor issues. the president found this out on that story regarding the people who work at bedminister. the president needs to pivot to asking for the wall plus. it's about ba...